Collecting Canada Pensions while living in the US - Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) Florida Oklahoma - Expert Income Tax he

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Dear David,

My husband, Canadian citizen born 1945 in Quebec, Canada, moved to NYC and worked there 7 years.  Returned to Quebec, Canada for 18 years.  Moved back to US and has worked here 16 years now.  We live in US and are both US Citizens.

xxxxx just turned 65 and is ready to apply for SSI, CPP, QPP and OAS, but we're confused and want to be crystal clear about his pension options and all the tax implications.

Do you offer phone consultations?  What is your fee?

Many thanks,

david ingram replies:

He should just put his applications in.  Social security will  use the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) to reduce his Social security because he has not put in 30 years of Social security contributions. 

However, he did put in over 20 years of life in canada after turning 65 so he can take a proportional OAS with him to the USA.  His Quebec Pension Plan will also be prorated by 25/40 times what ever his pension would have been if he had put in 40 years.

He has to tell US social security that he is entitled to the Quebec Pension and OAS and he has to tell the QPP that he is getting the Social security. 

The Social security administration and the QPP will  then figure it out.

The WEP clawback of Social security is not just a US Canada situation either.  If a School teacher taught in Florida for 20 years and Oklahoma for 20 years, they would also suffer under WEP.  WEP takes into account the years that someone worked but did not contribute to Social security because they worked at an occupation which was not covered because an employer group, a religious organization or in your husband's case, another country had a program of their own.  In this case, Florida Teachers belong to a State retirement system and do not pay into social security. Oklahoma teachers do pay social security.


An explanation of WEP and its rationale can be found at

 http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10045.html
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