Canadian Resident moving to US - need advise on cross border tax implications T1161 - T1243 - T1244 -


Dear Mr. Ingram:
I got your email address and website from browsing through the internet regarding tax inquires.
In less than two months, I will be moving from Canada to United States to get married and reside with my husband. Eventually, we want to move back to Canada, perhaps in 8 to 10 years so we want to ensure that we have our paperworks in order before leaving Canada.

Here are my situation:
I own a condo that I am currently selling. I will sell any properties and furnitures that I have. I will also cancel any health plan and forward all my mail to my Unites States address. I do not own stocks or mutual funds. Currently I am a self employed who pays installments on my taxes and GST.

Questions:
1. I had called the International Tax Canada office who told me to fill in NR73 (Determination of residency status) after I left Canada. However there are several sites that indicate that it is not recommended for me to fill this form unless requested to do so. I also remember reading that you commented NOT to fill this form. Is there a way for CRA to find out that I have never fill in form NR73 once I leave Canada?

2. Departure Tax - I read that if one "has lived in Canada for more than 5 years, the individual's capital assets are deemed sold at FMV on which capital gains tax is payable". If I am not mistaken, there is an exception to this rule regarding sale of property for personal use (main habitat - not rental) therefore the gain that I get from selling my condo should not be taxable for departure tax/exit return. Is there anything else that could be taxable under departure tax?

3. Is there any forms that I am obligated to fill before leaving Canada permanently and submit to CRA (without filling in form NR73)?
T-1161 (List of Properties by Emigrant Canada)
T-1243 (Deemed Disposition of a property by an Emigrant Canada)

4. My client/employer is having a hard time trying to find a substitute for me. They're wondering if I might still be able to work for them from United States for couple of months up to one more year. If I agree to this, I am worried of the tax implications because this means that I would still need to file T1 tax return every year. Moreover I plan to close my Canadian bank account to sever ties with Canada. Could you advise me on this matter?

Thank you very much for your help with this. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. I live in Greater Vancouver area and am available by phone (604-783-0959) if you think that it would be easier to discuss this on the phone or by appointment at your convenience.

Regards,

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david ingram replies:

Because you are moving to the US which is a Tax Treaty country, you do not need to get rid of all your Canadianisms. Article IV of the Treaty says very succinctly that you are taxable where  your permanent home is available to you. 

Therefore, if you have a $300 a month rented apartment wherein you live in Coos Bay Oregon and have rented your $5,000,000 Canadian house out to strangers for a year or more and it is not available to you to move into 'tonight', and you are in the US for more than 183 days in the calender year AND you are living with your husband in the US, you are only taxable in the US on your world income and are taxable in Canada on Canadian source income. 

If you are working 'in the USA' for a Canadian employer by telecommuting, that is NOT Canadian Source income.  Canadian Source income would be interest or dividends, royalties, rents, etc.

1.   If I were you and intended to return to Canada anytime, I would keep the Canadian condo and rent it out.  By keeping the condo, you are ensuring that you will have a place to live in Canada at today's price.  For instance just 4 years ago, iu onloy needed $268,000 US to buy a $400,000 Canadian condo.  Today, you need $400,000.  There are a lot of us that think that it will cost $500,000 US to buy a $400,000 Condo in another five years or less.  You will have to file form 1159 and T776 every year to report the rent but you will have a good investment in one of the strongest economies int he world and will not have to pay a $10,000 real estate commission to sell it. (sorry realtors)..

2.   If you sell the unit before or as you leave Canada, you will not owe tax on the sale of the condo. If you have no stock, mutual funds, summer cabin, publishing rights or share of a family farm or business, it is not likely you have anything else that would be subject to departure tax.

3.   The T1161 would be filled in if you should decide to rent out the condo.  However, as described, yuo woul dnot need to fill in the 1243 or the 1244.

4.   If you take the job, bill your ex employer from the US.  Go to a stationary store and buy an invoice book and a rubber stamp for your business name which could be as simple as first last name's Services.  No Corporation or other registered name is required.  When you file your 2008 return, you woul dnot file a Canadian return for those fees because they were NOT earned in Canada.  You could just make up an invoice on your computer but I assure you that having a little blue invoice book has a nice touch to it and is quite acceptable and easier.  You can even set up an office in your home and write off some expenses for your home office including your computer, desk, LD phone, share of electricity, heat, rent and or mortgage interest and taxes..
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These older questions shoul dhelp



QUESTION:

I am currently living in Illinois.  I am about to come off of maternity leave from my Toronto company and I intend to continue to work for them through the internet.  My US immigration has not gone through yet.  Do I need to wait until I have US status to work or can I start right away since I'll be working only for my Canadian company?
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david ingram replies:

You can telecommute. You will owe tax to the US NOT Canada.

You might want to send the returns here.

 This older question should help as well

QUESTION:

Hi David,

I am a TN visa holder working in Seattle, and my wife is on a TD visa and she is citizen of China. We are determined as non-resident to Canada.

Can she telecommute from the US, and providing software consulting service to Canadian company? Is she allowed to work remotely while being a TD visa holder?

Does she need to file taxes to CRA?

Thank you very much.

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david ingram replies:

She is not supposed to take a job away from a legal US resident.

Telecomuting to Canada does not take a US job away and should not be a problem. 

The Canadian Employer should not withold any Canadian tax either.

She does NOT owe tax to Canda if she provides all her services from the USA.

She will / does owe tax to the US on the earnings and it should be reported on a schedule C on your joint 1040 US tax return.

She will also owe FICA (Social security tax) and should. send in form SE as well.

Hope this helps

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This is not intended to be definitive but in general I am quoting $900 to $3,000 for a dual country tax return.
$900 would be one T4 slip one W2 slip one or two interest slips and you lived in one country only (but were filing both countries) - no self employment or rentals or capital gains - you did not move into or out of the country in this year.
 
$1,200 would be the same with one rental
 
$1,300 would be the same with one business no rental
 
$1,300 would be the minimum with a move in or out of the country. These are complicated because of the back and forth foreign tax credits. - The IRS says a foreign tax credit takes 1 hour and 53 minutes.
 
$1,600 would be the minimum with a rental or two in the country you do not live in or a rental and a business and foreign tax credits  no move in or out

$1,700 would be for two people with income from two countries

$3,000 would be all of the above and you moved in and out of the country.
 
This is just a guideline for US / Canadian returns
 
We will still prepare Canadian only (lives in Canada, no US connection period) with two or three slips and no capital gains, etc. for $200.00 up.
 
With a Rental for $400, two or three rentals for $550 to $700 (i.e. $150 per rental) First year Rental - plus $250.
 
A Business for $400 - Rental and business likely $550 to $700
 
And an American only (lives in the US with no Canadian income or filing period) with about the same things in the same range with a little bit more if there is a state return.
 
Moving in or out of the country or part year earnings in the US will ALWAYS be $900 and up.
 
TDF 90-22.1 forms are $50 for the first and $25.00 each after that when part of a tax return.
 
8891 forms are generally $50.00 to $100.00 each.
 
18 RRSPs would be $900.00 - (maybe amalgamate a couple)
 
Capital gains *sales)  are likely $50.00 for the first and $20.00 each after that.

Catch - up returns for the US where we use the Canadian return as a guide for seven years at a time will be from $150 to $600.00 per year depending upon numbers of bank accounts, RRSP's, existence of rental houses, self employment, etc. Note that these returns tend to be informational rather than taxable.  In fact, if there are children involved, we usually get refunds of $1,000 per child per year for 3 years.  We have done several catch-ups where the client has recieved as much as $6,000 back for an $1,800 bill and one recently with 6 children is resulting in over $12,000 refund. 

This is a guideline not etched in stone.  If you do your own TDF-90 forms, it is to your advantage. However, if we put them in the first year, the computer carries them forward beautifully.
 
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