"Ask an Expert" form on CENTA website not working - Moving to Canada with a US C Corporation - Dan Walkow - Canadian--
This is a general apology to those who wrote to
"ask an expert" at www.centa.com. We
have no idea how many questions were ignored by our system. We do know
that there were over 6,000 of them in the same time period of 2007 to
2008. I feel pretty silly for not even noticing it. My son Peter
kept on telling me to answer the questions and I said I "was". Not once,
did the concept that we were not even 'getting them' come up until Vlad
made a special effort to reach me. Even this one was spammed out
as one of just too many.
Your "Ask an Expert" form isn't functional. Kept
getting error messages, so I'll repeat it here:
Type of question: "Both U.S. &
Subject: Business tax issues
I am looking into immigrating to Canada and trying
to figure out how to handle my situation:
I am self-employed operating a small 1-person
business (U.S. 'C' corporation) out of home in XXXXXXXXX providing marketing
support/Internet marketing to business clients.
If I was to relocate to Canada, majority, if not
all, of my clients would still be in the U.S.
How does this affect business structure. Should I
continue operating as an U.S. corporation? And possibly find a registered
agent/mail forwarding agent in XX?
Or should I set up a legal entity in
Unfortunately, this was spammed out and i am just finding it
now. It also points out how busy we were because we did not notice that
the Ask an Expert" system was down for months.
Aas an Internet marketing
man, you can likely appreciate the fact that I was not paying a lot of attention
to this part of my business. Although we noticed that email questions were
down, there were still too many to answer and they come / came from enough
different sources, that one not working just did not trigger with me until
another savvy person made a point of telling me - in no uncertain terms --
David your #%^*& ask an expert is not working. Would you believe
(being an Internet marketing man) that we did not spot it from Oct 1,
2008 to May 10, 2009 or so. Seven months at least. For the most part,
I still had too many to answer but missed sending any reply to people who tried
and putting them on a question and answer list which usually will answer any
question in two or three weeks any way. (as an aside, if you type (no
quotes)- income tax expert - or - income tax experts - into google, we
manage to come up in the top three out of 14,000,000 or 27,000,000
respectively. Under the less serious - income tax help - we were in the
top 3 out of 40,000,000 and ahead of the IRS a minute ago. As a 4 person
office I can not even begin to deal with everthing that comes in. I
am answering this as an apology to you because you tried to tell
You may have your answer already since you sent this on January
9th. If so, it will be interesting to see if they fit together.
I will tell you that I tend to answer these questions in a manner that keeps the
paperwork (and therefore the expense) down. I could double my gross income
overnight by telling 10% of my clients to incorporate.
To your question.
1. If you are
moving to Canada, the possession of a Canadian Corporation is an expensive
accounting proposition. You must file a form US 5471 each year to report
the internal earnings of the Canadian (or French or Ethiopian or Chinese)
corporation (every year) on your 1040. Typically our minimum
charge for this adds another $1,500 to your accounting bill in addition to any
accounting or bookkeeping charges for the Canadian (we do not do French,
ethiopian or Chinese) corporation. The failure to file the 5471 can result
in $60,000 of fines per year per shareholder although the typical fine would be
2. You should go to www.centa.com
a. the October 1993 newsletter on dual citizenship (top
left hand box)
b. the October 1995 newsletter on
the duties of a US citizen or green card holder residing in Canada (or Spain, or
Australia or Indonesia, etc., )In this, it talks about a $1,000 to $25,000 fine
for the 5471 - it has since gone to the $10,000 to $60,000 range. Pay attention
tot he TDF 90-22.1 reporting which has now gone to a minimum of $10,000 for
failure to file.
c. The US / Canada taxation section in the
second box down on the right hand side.
When and if you move to Canada,
your US C Corporation becomes a Canadian Corporation for tax purposes because
Mind and Control are in Canada and you will have to file a Canadian Corporation
Tax return for it as well.
In all of these cases, I strongly advise that
you have a Dec 31st year end because it makes the accounting so much simpler for
both countries with respect to reporting, the 5471 AND the use of Foreign tax
There is no way for me or anyone else to adequately address the
question more specifically. I could write a book on it and still not cover
'your' specific situation.
In general, however, I will suggest that "NOT"
using a corporation would make your life much simpler. If you intend to
spend the profits you make, a corporation does NOT usually save you any over all
income tax. Lower corporation tax rates are meant to allow a corp to have
money to buy new buildings and new trucks and new machinery. The lower
rates are "not" designed to give one man consultants a lower tax rate and
usually do not achieve this state if they actually take the money out to use for
If it is a question of public liability, a Corporation
does NOT protect a director of a corporation which you are. You, as the
driver of a corporation which has provided your services are liable as much as a
proprietor. Think of a car accident. You are hit by someone driving
a company car. When you sue for damages, you sue the owner of the car (the
corporation) AND the DRIVER of the car.
ANY employee of ANY corporation
can be sued personally for their actions. In practice, if it is a big
corporation, the employee does not get sued. If it is a little one, they
There is a debate as to whether an S or A C corporation makes more
sense for a one person operation..
That debate usually revolves
around perceived lower payroll taxes with a C corporation.
historically, the higher payroll taxes (FICA) meant a higher retirement social
security pension, i am generally in favor of the higher FICA payments. This is
really showing up this year where so many lost so much in the market,
their 401(K) and IRA accounts. a lot of people who ridiculed FICA
and CPP are now very happy to have them.
Incidentally, since you are now
going to be a cross border investor, you would be well advised to look at the
5 interviews I have done on cross border investing with Dan Walkow at www.david-ingram.com
- You can see more
about cross-borer investing at www.seabankcapital.com
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This is not intended to be definitive but in
general I am quoting $900 to $3,000 for a dual country tax
$900 would be one T4 slip one W2 slip one or two
interest slips and you lived in one country only (but were filing both
countries) - no self employment or rentals or capital gains - you did not move
into or out of the country in this year.
$1,200 would be the same with one rental
$1,300 would be the same with one business no
$1,300 would be the minimum with a move in or out
of the country. These are complicated because of the back and forth foreign tax
credits. - The IRS says a foreign tax credit takes 1 hour and 53
$1,600 would be the minimum with a rental or two in
the country you do not live in or a rental and a business and foreign tax
credits no move in or out
$1,700 would be for two people with income from two
$3,000 would be all of the above and you moved in
and out of the country.
This is just a guideline for US / Canadian
We will still prepare
Canadian only (lives in Canada, no US connection period) with two or
three slips and no capital gains, etc. for $200.00 up.
However, if you have a stack of 1099, or T3 or T4A or T5 or K1 reporting forms,
expect to pay an average of $10.00 each with up to $50.00 for a K1 or T5013 or
T5008 or T101 --- Income trusts with amounts in box 42 are an even larger
problem and will be more expensive. - i.e. 20
information slips will be at least $350.00
With a Rental for $400, two or three rentals for
$550 to $700 (i.e. $150 per rental) First year Rental - plus
A Business for $400 - Rental and business likely
$550 to $700
And an American only (lives in the US with no
Canadian income or filing period) with about the same things in the same range
with a little bit more if there is a state return.
Moving in or out of the country or part year
earnings in the US will ALWAYS be $900 and up.
TDF 90-22.1 forms are $50 for the first and $25.00
each after that when part of a tax return.
8891 forms are generally $50.00 to $100.00
18 RRSPs would be $900.00 - (maybe amalgamate a
Capital gains *sales) are likely $50.00 for
the first and $20.00 each after that.
Catch - up returns for the US where we use the
Canadian return as a guide for seven years at a time will be from $150 to
$600.00 per year depending upon numbers of bank accounts, RRSP's, existence of
rental houses, self employment, etc. Note that these returns tend to be
informational rather than taxable. In fact, if there are children
involved, we usually get refunds of $1,000 per child per year for 3 years.
We have done several catch-ups where the client has received as much as $6,000
back for an $1,800 bill and one recently with 6 children is resulting in over
Email and Faxed information is convenient for the
sender but very time consuming and hard to keep track of when they come in
multiple files. As of May 1, 2008, we will charge or be charging a
surcharge for information that comes in more than two files. It can take
us a valuable hour or more to try and put together the file when someone
sends 10 emails or 15 attachments, etc. We had one return with over 50 faxes and
emails for instance.
This is a guideline not etched
in stone. If you do your own TDF-90 forms, it
is to your advantage. However, if we put them in the first year, the computer
carries them forward beautifully.
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