US citizen live in Canada and telecommuting - nternational non-resident cross border income tax help estate family trust assista

My_question_is: Applicable to both US and Canada
Subject:        US citizen live in Canada and telecommuting
Expert:         taxman@centa.com
Date:           Saturday January 12, 2008
Time:           03:41 PM -0000

QUESTION:

What are the income tax implications if I were to permanently move from the US to Canada but still work for my company in the US by telecommuting (and remain a US citizen)?

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david ingram replies:

really busy but this older question should help


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QUESTION:

Hi,

I'm an American citizen residing in Canada (permanent resident) and working for an American company remotely from home in Canada. I get a W2 at year-end. I assume I have to file both US and Canadian tax returns.

My questions are :
1) Do I file a US tax return and claim a foreign tax credit on my Canadians tax return. Or is it vice versa?
2) Do I still file state/local tax return in the US (I lived in Maryland prior to landing in Canada), even though I now reside in Canada?
3) For the extra tax I end up paying to the 2nd country (in excess to what I pay to the first country), can I claim any type of credit or deductions on that tax in next tax year?

Thank you very much!

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david ingram replies:

If you are working in Canada, you should not be getting a W-2.  The reason is that as a reasident of Canada, you should not be paying into US Social Security or Medicare or paying basic income tax to the USA.

Your first tax liability for services rendered in Canada under Article IV of the US Canada Incomne Tax Treaty is to Canada.

You should be filing a Candian T1 return and paying Canada and provincial income tax first.  Then you would file your US return and either:

1.    Use form 2555 to exempt up to $82,400 of income from US tax and then file US form 1116 to claim a foreign tax credit on the excess OR

2.    Use form 1116 to claim the foreign tax credit onyour US return for tax paid to Canada.  If you have children, you woul dusually do the latter because it would usually qualify you for the $1,000 per child USA refundabvle tax credit.

3.    In the case of interest (10%) and dividends (15%), you must get any excess tax back from the US by reclassifying the income on form 1116.

4.    In the case of interest, you can claim the difference between 10 and 15% as a deduction on Canadian schedule 4.

5.    You should NOT be paying into a US 401(K) or US Social Security. Canada will not allow the 401(K) as a deduction.

Your employer should start paying you on a 1099 Basis and pay you your salary plus their share of Social Security plus their share of Medicare plus their share of any 401 or other pension plan they contruibute to.

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This is not intended to be definitive but in general I am quoting $800 to $2,400 for a dual country tax return.
 
$800 would be one T4 slip one W2 slip one or two interest slips and you lived in one country only - no self employment or rentals or capital gains - you did not move into or out of the country in this year.
 
$1,000 would be the same with one rental
 
$1,200 would be the same with one business no rental
 
$1,200 would be the minimum with a move in or out of the country. These are complicated because of the back and forth foreign tax credits. - The IRS says a foreign tax credit takes 1 hour and 53 minutes.
 
$1,500 would be the minimum with a rental or two in the country you do not live in or a rental and a business and foreign tax credits  no move in or out
 
$2,400 would be all of the above and you moved in and out of the country.
 
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We will still prepare Canadian only (lives in Canada, no US connection period) with two or three slips and no capital gains, etc. for $150.00 up.
 
With a Rental for $350
 
A Business for $350 - Rental and business likely $450
And an American only (lives in the US with no Canadian income or filing period) with about the same things in the same range with a little bit more if there is a state return.
 
Moving in or out of the country or part year earnings in the US will ALWAYS be $800 and up.
 
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8891 forms are generally $50.00 to $100.00 each.
 
18 RRSPs would be $900.00 - (maybe amalgamate a couple)
 
Capital gains *sales)  are likely $50.00 for the first and $20.00 each after that.
 
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